Sunday, February 22, 2009

The division between just-war and pacifism has made me think for a while.  And I still don't know where I stand.  It seems like each side has certain aspects that I agree with and others that I don't.  In David's article A Practical Christian Pacifism, he states, "Pacifism is surrender.  The pacifist viewpoint is appealing in principle, but in practice it means surrendering to the aggressor.  Capitulation to the forces of evil cannot be moral."  As appealing and truthful as this may be to many, it isn't how Jesus would feel.  According to the Gospel writers, Jesus said we must love our enemies and return good for evil.  There is nothing loving or good about war.  So this leads me to question why there is a division among Christians when it states clearly in the bible how Jesus would feel about this issue.  But then again, like Rabbi Flip said, not everything in the bible/ tanak should be taken literally.  That can also be controversial to Christians and people of other religion.  It seems to me that you can go on and on about different aspects, morales, and ideas of a certain religion, but in the end there will always be conflict.  There will always be somebody saying, "No, that isn't right."  I guess I'm just bothered with everybody assuming that what they believe in is right.  Can we sit back as a country and let another country drop bombs and kill innocent people? Of course not.  But according to the bible, that is what we should do.  How would a pacifist respond to that? And at the same time, how does a just-war advocate validate killing innocent people for oil in Iraq.  Oil is not a reason to go to war.  How would a just-war advocate respond to that?  It seems to me to be a never ending cycle and I still don't know where I stand.  No, we can't sit back and watch our country be attacked.  If action is going to be taken, it must be done the right way and I think the "right way" means having a legitimate plan for success that doesn't involve any other countries, any civilians, any side issues the countries may have, it shouldn't take years to accomplish, the government shouldn't hide anything from the public, and the two opposing sides who want to fight should come face to face like they did in the old days.  The problem is though, this will never happen...so what good is just-war?  I think David is right when he states that both sides, pacifist and just-war advocates, should be faced "squarely an debated vigorously in the churches, and pacifists and non-pacifists can learn much from each other in this debate."  I don't believe that there is a right or wrong answer, but in time I hope that both sides could come to a compromise so that this issue can be resolved and people could get back to the real intentions of what it means to be a Christian

3 comments:

  1. I think you misinterpreted the point "pacifism is surrender." In Hoekema's article, he is listing assumptions people have about pacifism. For "pacifism is surrender," he goes on to list the problems with that view-point, stating, "it equates pacifism with passive nonresistance." Also, I don't think a just-war supporter would think oil is a reason to go to war, because the article states that "war is justified, according to just-war criteria, when its good result--the restoration of justice-- outweighs the harm it will cause." I mean, maybe some really greedy people would say that oil benefits more people then war would harm there, but oil wasn't even a reason for going into Iraq (even looking at the false information Americans got). I think a just-war theorist would say "We went to Iraq to liberate the people Hussein was controlling," and thus, the war is justified to a just-war supported because war does more good then harm (which I personally think is not the real-life case).

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  2. I think that this issue is one that everyone struggles with, obviously. I've always viewed myself as a pacifist; I don't think that there is ever really a justification for war. But how would I have responded to a national disaster? I'm not sure. I know that from the beginning, I thought it was a bad idea (not just with Iraq, but violence in general). To me, as Gandhi, "An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind". However, many people also cite Exodus 21:23, where: "If any harm follows, then you shall give life for life, 24eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, 25burn for burn, wound for wound, stripe for stripe."

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  3. I agree that there is extreme contradictions if you read the Bible and read about Pacifism. It's hard for me to Troy to think what is the right answer or a "just-war". As we learn about the Bible it seems that everything is based on war and battles, confrontation is everywhere. Rabbi Flipp says we should not take everything literal, but what do we chose to take seriously? I'm not sure what to believe about this, but i feel your pain Troy and i like your post !!!!

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